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		<title>Festival of Sacrifice</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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So, the deed is done.  I can&#8217;t say I feel sorry for the guy.  If anyone deserved to go out like this, it was him.  But I did find something interesting sort of buried in this New York Times story.  On the timing of Hussein&#8217;s execution;
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<p>So, <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/29/hussein/index.html">the deed</a> is done.  I can&#8217;t say I feel sorry for the guy.  If anyone deserved to go out like this, it was him.  But I did find something interesting sort of buried in <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/30/world/middleeast/30hussein.html?_r=1&#038;pagewanted=2&#038;ei=5094&#038;en=03459562c8ad1b73&#038;hp&#038;ex=1167454800&#038;partner=homepage&#038;oref=slogin">this</a> <em>New York Times</em> story.  On the timing of Hussein&#8217;s execution;</p>
<blockquote><p>“According to the law, no execution can be carried out during the holidays” said another official, “After all the hard work we have done, why would we break the law and ruin what we have built?”</p>
<p><strong>The Muslim holiday of Id al-Adha begins Saturday for Sunnis and Sunday for Shiites</strong>, who now control the government.</p>
<p>Iraqi law seemed to indicate that executions were forbidden on the holiday.</p>
<p>But Judge Haddad was dismissive of those concerns, injecting some of the sectarian split that is pervading the country. <strong>“The official Id in Iraq is Sunday,”</strong> he said.</p></blockquote>
<p>Cold-blooded.  Where is Karl Rove and what has he done with our freedom-loving Shiite overlords?  What ever happened to<a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110003288"> &#8220;Democracy, Whiskey, Sexy&#8221;</a> anyway?</p>
<p>For the truly sadistic, you might want to check out this <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eid_ul-Adha">Wikipedia entry</a> on Eid-ul-Adha, or as it translates to English, The Festival of Sacrifice.  This is the day that Muslims around the world will sacrifice an animal, usually a sheep, and deliver its meat to family and the less fortunate.  It&#8217;s a symbol of God&#8217;s generosity to the Prophet Abraham, allowing him to sacrifice a sheep in the place of his son.</p>
<p>So on a day that represents one of the most altruistic acts in human history, one worthless turd knocks off another, and we call it justice.  Hearts and minds, baby.  Hearts and minds.</p>
<p><strong>Update:</strong> For more, see <a href="http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2006_12_01_riverbendblog_archive.html#116738820591750213">Riverbend</a> and <a href="http://raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com/2006/12/saddams-execution.html">Raed</a>.  Hat tip to <a href="http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2006/12/saddam-murdered-by-iraqi-government.html">Steve Gilliard</a>.</p>
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		<title>Live by the Prop, Die by the Prop</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 20:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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Apparently, standing on the bodies of the victims of 9/11 has lost its appeal.  Perhaps its the smell.  The troops no longer make for an effective backdrop either&#8230;the blank, idolizing stares of 2003 transformed long ago into the grimace of  fatigue and hopelessness.   Maybe there just weren&#8217;t enough of them [...]]]></description>
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<p>Apparently, standing on the bodies of the victims of 9/11 has lost its appeal.  Perhaps its the smell.  The troops no longer make for an effective backdrop either&#8230;the blank, idolizing stares of 2003 transformed long ago into the grimace of  fatigue and hopelessness.   Maybe there just weren&#8217;t enough of them to fill our widescreen TV&#8217;s.  16:9 can be a bitch.</p>
<p>But its time to turn another fake corner in Iraq and the pickings are slim.  According to <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/28/hussein/index.html">CNN</a>, via <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/011729.php">Josh Marshall</a>, it seems that Saddam Hussein, and his well-timed hanging, are going to serve as the latest prop for Bush&#8217;s <em>New, New Way Forward</em> in Iraq.</p>
<p>While I share Josh&#8217;s embarrassment, and the sense that Bush&#8217;s complete failure in Iraq has been laid bare for all to see by this pathetic farce, I can&#8217;t help but feel that it is particularly humiliating for Iraqis and the Middle East more generally.</p>
<p>Most Iraqis were willing to overlook &#8220;Shock n&#8217; Awe&#8221; in 2003 because we were able to remove them from the deadly embrace of Hussein.  Now, the Bush administration has decided that it needs a win, and the Iraqis are going to have to give up their one true victory in this god-forsaken war, so that the President can continue to put lipstick on a pig.</p>
<p>As long as we deny the people of the Middle East a victory of their own, they will continue to settle for finding them in places like <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/flash/photo/attack/sequence/tower_sequence.htm">here</a>, <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A48577-2004Mar11?language=printer">here</a>, and <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/09/AR2005070901248.html">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>If it Feels Good, Part Deux</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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There lies a thin line between loftiness and outright madness. Sometimes the best ideas blossom from the most dysfunctional of minds. In the case of Iraq, we are clearly getting the short end of the stick. Mark Danner, in The New York Review of Books, has written, in my opinion, the definitive essay on the [...]]]></description>
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<p>There lies a thin line between loftiness and outright madness. Sometimes the best ideas blossom from the most dysfunctional of minds. In the case of Iraq, we are clearly getting the short end of the stick. Mark Danner, in <em>The New York Review of Books</em>, has written, in my opinion, the <a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19720">definitive essay</a> on the disastrous thinking that brought us the Iraq war. It&#8217;s about a month old, but I highly recommend it nonetheless.</p>
<p>While he thoroughly documents the horrible decisions that landed us where we are today, what caught my eye was the utterly flawed and self-serving thought process that was the driving force behind them (via <a href="http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/005332.html">War and Piece</a>).</p>
<blockquote><p>If the sober consideration of history and facts stood in the way of bold action then it would be the history and the facts that would be discarded. The risk of doing nothing, the risk, that is, of the status quo, justified acting. Given the grim facts on the ground—the likelihood of a future terrorist attack from the &#8220;malignant&#8221; Middle East, the impossibility of entirely protecting the country from it—better to embrace the unknown. Better, that is, to act in the cause of &#8220;constructive instability&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Now back up for a second. Take this concept out of the context of the Iraq war and look at it on its own. This, in a nutshell, is George Bush&#8217;s year 2000 admonition of the Baby Boomer generation turned on its head. Apply it to any of the of the conscious-shocking events that have been carried out in the name of national security over the last six years. <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/enemywithin/view/">False arrest</a>, <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25962-2004Dec25.html">torture</a>, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/04/us/04detain.html?ex=1322888400&#038;en=accb01df2436f791&#038;ei=5090&#038;partner=rssuser">indefinite detention</a>, <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/28/60minutes/main691602.shtml">humiliation</a>, <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4415132.stm">lies</a>, <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/25/iraq/main645601.shtml">murder</a>, <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/21/quran.congress/index.html">defamation</a>, <a href="http://www.pajamasmedia.com/2006/12/the_faking_imams_pajamas_media.php">bigotry</a>.</p>
<p>Many of the people that have proposed, exalted and defended these bad acts have claimed that they do so for the good of the country.  But as the quote above clearly illustrates, the real desire driving these policies is a personal one.  A need to do something, right or wrong, in order to reclaim some sense of stolen pride.  They&#8217;ve flipped over the Monopoly board and now tell us they did it for our own good.</p>
<p>As 2006 comes to a close, we find ourselves at a crossroads.  The country is clearly dissatisfied with the results of this new &#8220;If it feels good, do it&#8221; approach to national security, but have we fully absorbed the perniciousness of the childish thinking that has brought us to this point?  Will we recognize it, and reject it as its proponents find themselves increasingly boxed in by reality?</p>
<p>2006 may well be remembered as judgment day for Bush and his administration.  Will 2007 be our own?  And are we ready to face it?</p>
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		<title>Victim/Victoria</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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So, the Right seems to have finally coalesced around a single, if convoluted, argument regarding the “Flying Imams”.  It is either (A) That these were truly dangerous people, perhaps even linked to Hamas, and that getting them kicked off the airline was justified.  One can only assume that if it they had raised [...]]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, the Right seems to have finally <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/2006/12/the_faking_imams_pajamas_media.php">coalesced</a> around a single, if convoluted, argument regarding the “Flying Imams”.  It is either (A) That these were truly dangerous people, perhaps even linked to Hamas, and that getting them kicked off the airline was justified.  One can only assume that if it they had raised enough suspicion with the authorities to warrant further detention (they didn’t), that other courses of action, perhaps even “alternative interrogation techniques” might be on the table.  Or it’s (B) That this was all just a ruse by a bunch of ACLU pansies attempting to make a constitutional civil rights case by <em>trying</em> to get kicked off of a plane.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Actually, the correct answer is (C) The Right is always the victim.  We called it.  No take backs.</p>
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		<title>It&#8217;s the Stupid</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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Over at the Washington Monthly, there was a lively discussion on Newt Gingrich&#8217;s response to a story that I initially found too predictable to bother looking into; the story of the &#8220;Flying Imams&#8221;. Long story short, six Muslims arouse suspicion from a passenger by praying in public. He follows them around the gate, eavesdrops in [...]]]></description>
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<p>Over at the <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_12/010407.php">Washington Monthly</a>, there was a lively discussion on Newt Gingrich&#8217;s <a href="http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Gingrich+defends+free+speech+curbs&#038;articleId=13419de8-bb62-42f4-9b34-64315f906af3">response</a> to a story that I initially found too predictable to bother looking into; the story of the <a href="http://richardminiter.pajamasmedia.com/2006/11/30/flying_imams_part_one.php">&#8220;Flying Imams&#8221;</a>. Long story short, six Muslims arouse suspicion from a passenger by praying in public. He follows them around the gate, eavesdrops in on their conversations, and takes note of what he believes to be suspicious activity. He sends a note to the pilot, the Imams are escorted off the plane, arrested, and released shortly thereafter. Yawn, right? But listen to the Newtster&#8217;s takeaway:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;If you give me any signal in the age of terrorism that you&#8217;re a terrorist, I&#8217;d say the burden of proof was on you,&#8221; Gingrich said.</p></blockquote>
<p>Over in the comment section at WM, the typical rightwing response was to point to the <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/upload/2006/12/FlyingImamsPolice%20Report.pdf">police report</a> of the incident in an effort to prove that the actions of the passenger, flight crew, and airline were not just prudent, but patriotic and totally understandable. I won&#8217;t go into the specifics of the report, but for the sake of argument, let&#8217;s stipulate that everything the Imams did <em>after</em> coming under scrutiny was, shall we say, a little &#8220;weird&#8221;. But how did they come under scrutiny in the first place?</p>
<blockquote><p>Grewenow and I boarded the aircraft and met the reporting party, who identified himself with his photo California driver&#8217;s license as [redacted], date of birth [redacted] told me the following: <strong>He witnessed six Middle Eastern males in the gate area praying and chanting in an Arabic dialect. They chanted the words Allah, Allah, Allah. He then eavesdropped into their conversation</strong> and overheard them mention Sadam and heard them curse about the U.S. involvement.</p></blockquote>
<p>Praying in public is now considered suspicious terrorist activity in America 2.0. Forget the fact that Muslims are encouraged to pray in groups, &#8220;out loud&#8221;, using words in &#8220;Arabic&#8221;. Forget the fact the Muslims are required to pray at certain times of the day, and can&#8217;t always keep their &#8220;suspicious&#8221; activities out of earshot of anyone that might find it threatening. Forget the fact that real terrorists don&#8217;t fucking pray in public before getting on a fucking plane. That&#8217;s for the liberal elite in their ivory towers to debate. Real Americans don&#8217;t let things like reality and information get in the way when stupidity beckons us to spring into action.</p>
<p>Most Muslims in this country have learned to live with this stupidity. It comes with the territory. But it’s worth noting that this mentality, and its abuse by people like Newt Gingrich and the Bush administration, is the real reason we are languishing in Iraq today. The blurring of the lines between Muslims and terrorists, Saddam and Al-Qaeda, the absence of proof versus the proof of absence. These lies, cultivated and propagated by people who really do know better, are the reason that Joe Six-pack supported, and now scratches his head over, the war in Iraq.</p>
<p>The truly dangerous people in this country are those that seek a nation where the average American is kept in the dark, chasing shadows. Whatever it takes to convince the public to support the &#8220;right&#8221; course. Secure in the knowledge that an ignorant foot soldier is just as good, if not better, than an informed one.  These people are truly enemies of this country.</p>
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		<title>Hadjis Gone Wild</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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Hamas says Abbas seeks war:

GAZA (Reuters) – President Mahmoud Abbas’s security forces fired on a Hamas rally in West Bank and gunnbattles between the Palestinian factions erupted in Gaza on Friday, prompting a top Hamas leader to accuse Abbas of starting a war.

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<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061215/ts_nm/palestinians_dc"><strong>Hamas says Abbas seeks war:</strong></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">GAZA (Reuters) – President Mahmoud Abbas’s security forces fired on a Hamas rally in West Bank and gunnbattles between the Palestinian factions erupted in Gaza on Friday, prompting a top Hamas leader to accuse Abbas of starting a war.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">People arguing for the <a href="http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/005298.html">&#8220;Tilt&#8221;</a> in Iraq or more generally pondering the possible benefits of regional conflagration between Sunnis and Shiites, need to answer a question; Does Israel benefit from open war between Hamas and Fatah?  Multiply that conflict by a power of ten and you get a clearer picture of what all out war between Sunnis and Shias would look like.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Clearer too, is that our leaders are soulless fools.  I know, I know&#8230; The Arab mind only understands violence, so it&#8217;s totally different.  <a href="http://tbogg.blogspot.com/2006/12/to-pause-game-hit-ctl-alt-jews4jesus.html">Totally</a>.</p>
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		<title>That Sinking Feeling</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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I have a confession.  In early 2005, February 1 to be specific, I had a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach.  There were purple fingers all over the TV, and talk of elections in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.  The Cedar Revolution was just weeks away, and a question was burning [...]]]></description>
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<p>I have a confession.  In early 2005, February 1 to be specific, I had a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach.  There were purple fingers all over the TV, and talk of elections in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.  The Cedar Revolution was just weeks away, and a question was burning my inside’s worse than an Ozzy Spicy Dog, at <a href="http://pinkshollywood.com/pgz/menu.htm">Pink’s</a>; I asked myself, “Is it possible that Bush was right?”</p>
<p>To make things worse, I couldn’t tell whether I felt sick at the thought that he might be right, or whether I thought it was more important that he be proved wrong, than it was for the people in his charge to have a better life.  In short, I was confused and guilt-stricken.</p>
<p>Today I can thank Jonah Goldberg for helping me put a name to that feeling.  It’s called a conscience; something he&#8217;s done nicely without.  <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_12/010393.php">Kevin</a> starts the ball rolling by pointing us to this <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-goldberg14dec14,0,5277475.column?coll=la-opinion-center">horrible column</a> by Goldberg in the L.A. Times:</p>
<blockquote><p>“I THINK ALL intelligent, patriotic and informed people can agree: It would be great if the U.S. could find an Iraqi Augusto Pinochet. In fact, an Iraqi Pinochet would be even better than an Iraqi Castro.”</p></blockquote>
<p>With most things Goldberg, when the words “I think” come off the page our out of his mouth, the best course of action is to step away briskly, but calmly, and to check on your disaster preparedness kit.  So don’t click the link unless you have at least five gallons of drinking water and a healthy supply of duct tape.</p>
<p>The only reason I bring up Goldberg’s recent disdain for Iraq’s democratic future is this little nugget of his dredged up by <a href="http://atrios.blogspot.com/2006_12_10_atrios_archive.html#116615706901030623">Atrios</a> (Via <a href="http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2006/12/moral-clarity.html">Lawyers, Guns and Money</a>), from back in the days when I was feeling guilty about my lack of enthusiasm for purple fingers.  Here he is, smacking a Mr. Goodbar-stained glove across the face of that four-eyed waif, <a href="http://www.juancole.com/2005/02/playing-with-human-lives-goldbergs.html">Juan Cole</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Anyway, I do think my judgment is superior to his when it comes to the big picture. So, I have an idea: Since he doesn&#8217;t want to debate anything except his own brilliance, let&#8217;s make a bet. I predict that Iraq won&#8217;t have a civil war, that it will have a viable constitution, and that a majority of Iraqis and Americans will, in two years time, agree that the war was worth it. I&#8217;ll bet $1,000 (which I can hardly spare right now). This way neither of us can hide behind clever word play or CV reading. If there&#8217;s another reasonable wager Cole wants to offer which would measure our judgment, I&#8217;m all ears. Money where your mouth is, doc. One caveat: Because I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s right to bet on such serious matters for personal gain, if I win, I&#8217;ll donate the money to the USO. He can give it to the al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade or whatever his favorite charity is.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Labeling your opponents as traitors is <em>so</em> 2002.  Although it is comforting to note that Goldberg continues to be wrong about everything.  And fat.</p>
<p><strong>Update:</strong> And stupid.</p>
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		<title>&#8220;With Respect to&#8230;&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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&#8220;Again, this debate seems a little silly given the threat we face, would you agree?&#8221; Hennen said. 
&#8220;I do agree,&#8221; Cheney replied, according to a transcript of the interview released Wednesday. &#8220;And I think the terrorist threat, for example, with respect [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">So the Vice President kinda sorta <a href="http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/columnists/jonathan_s_landay/15847918.htm?source=rss&#038;channel=krwashington_jonathan_s_landay">admitted</a> that the United States has waterboarded terrorism suspects:</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">&#8220;Again, this debate seems a little silly given the threat we face, would you agree?&#8221; Hennen said. </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">&#8220;I do agree,&#8221; Cheney replied, according to a transcript of the interview released Wednesday. &#8220;And I think the terrorist threat, for example, with respect to our ability to interrogate high-value detainees like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, that&#8217;s been a very important tool that we&#8217;ve had to be able to secure the nation.&#8221; </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">[…]</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">&#8220;Would you agree that a dunk in water is a no-brainer if it can save lives?&#8221; asked Hennen. </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">&#8220;It&#8217;s a no-brainer for me, but for a while there, I was criticized as being the vice president `for torture.&#8217; We don&#8217;t torture. That&#8217;s not what we&#8217;re involved in,&#8221; Cheney replied. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">While McClatchy is playing a game of gotcha here, I’m interested in something completely unrelated.  You see, in Cheney’s quote, he uses the phrase “with respect to”, something I’ve always felt he’s said an awful lot these past six years.  Along with, “from the standpoint of”, this is probably the one phrase that I associate with the man.  So how often does he use these phrases?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">From a single source, the White House website, I found 82 cases where Cheney used the phrase “from the standpoint of”.  His most famous use of this phrase is probably this one;</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">&#8220;If we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we&#8217;ll get hit again &#8212; that we&#8217;ll be hit in a way that will be devastating<strong> from the standpoint</strong> of the United States.&#8221;</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">And what about the other phrase?  Cheney used the words “with respect to” 357 different times, according the White House website.  He used it 12 times during the 2004 vice presidential debate with former Senator John Edwards.  12 times!  Edwards used it once.  I’ve added some of my favorites below:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Most Outlandish:</span></strong><br />
<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">&#8220;It&#8217;s clearly established in terms of training, provision of bomb-making experts, training of people <span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0% 50%; color: black; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial">with respect to</span> chemical and biological warfare capabilities, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Iraq for training and so forth*&#8221; (Cheney, CNBC&#8217;s &#8220;Kudlow &#038; Kramer,&#8221;</span><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial" /></strong></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Strangest:</span></strong><br />
<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">“And we&#8217;ll take a look to see if we can&#8217;t have similar impact <span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0% 50%; color: black; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial">with respect to</span> sugar.”</span><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial" /></strong></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Most Compound usage:</span></strong><br />
<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">“Most recently, of course, the focus has been on California, the problems that California has been suffering through, partly as a result of a flawed regulatory scheme <span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0% 50%; color: black; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial">with respect to</span> electric power, partly as a result of combined economic growth and lack of any additional supplies <span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0% 50%; color: black; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial">with respect to</span> electric generating capacity over the last 10 years.”</span><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial" /></strong></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Most Incoherent:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"><br />
He&#8217;s made it clear he has a different perception of how to defend the nation <span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0% 50%; color: black; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial">with respect to</span> the current kind of threat we&#8217;re faced with than does the President &#8212; would have been fundamental differences, for example, over the situation <span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0% 50%; color: black; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial">with respect to</span> Iraq.</span><br />
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Most Rapid-Fire:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial"><br />
He&#8217;s not someone you can enter into an agreement with, <span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0% 50%; color: black; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial">with respect to</span> a permanent arrangement for peace. No one is going to trust him <span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0% 50%; color: black; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial">with respect to</span> being the presiding authority, if you will, <span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0% 50%; color: black; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial">with respect to</span> a Palestinian homeland.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Oh hell, he said &#8220;if you will&#8221; too. That&#8217;s another favorite of his, but I&#8217;ll save it for another post.</span></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>enozinho</dc:creator>
		
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Torture, death and mayhem got you down?  Check out the SumoSays from an old friend of mine.  It&#8217;s worth a look.
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<p>Torture, death and mayhem got you down?  Check out the <a href="http://www.sumosays.com/journal/">SumoSays</a> from an old friend of mine.  It&#8217;s worth a look.</p>
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		<title>Welcome to Thunderdome</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>enozinho</dc:creator>
		
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Today is Eid-ul-Fitr.  The day when a billion Muslims celebrate the end of the month of Ramadan.  The woman in the picture above didn’t make it to the party.  It’s not clear whether she was killed for being Sunni, Shite, Christian, or Jew.  Maybe she was out too late.  Maybe [...]]]></description>
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<p>Today is Eid-ul-Fitr.  The day when a billion Muslims celebrate the end of the month of Ramadan.  The woman in the picture above didn’t make it to the party.  It’s not clear whether she was killed for being Sunni, Shite, Christian, or Jew.  Maybe she was out too late.  Maybe she wasn’t “properly” dressed.  Maybe she was killed for her brand new Air-Sadr sneakers.  Who the fuck knows?</p>
<p>What we do know, from eye-witnesses, is how she died (via <a href="http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/archives/2006_10_01_healingiraq_archive.html#116149751457167991">Healing Iraq</a>):</p>
<blockquote><p>My brother, Nabil, witnesses another terrible murder, this time of a hairdresser. She was dragged out of her taxi by 4 gunmen, a sack was put on her head and then they opened fire. Her corpse was left on the street for over 3 hours because no one dared to go near it. The worst was when Iraqi troops arrived at night to pick up the corpse. They had to shoot it several times to ensure it wasn&#8217;t booby-trapped with explosives, something that is becoming more and more common in our area of Baghdad.</p></blockquote>
<p>Something wicked has been unleashed on the streets of Iraq.  And no amount of mendacity on the part of the Occupation forces can account for the monstrous atrocities being committed in the name of nationalism and Islam.  For too long, we Muslims have looked the other way while our brothers have committed the most brutal and despicable acts imaginable.</p>
<p>Not anymore.  Now is the time to speak up.</p>
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